and for the first year and a half or so, i think the people were satisfied with what they saw. but then there was this social conversion and the policy shifts that came with it and as he started to run for president and now he's going to lose that state dramatically to president obama next month. so i think that we saw a glimpse of it again when this was a tunnel ceiling collapse toward the end of his tenure as governor where he was a good strong leader, he create ad a stem-to-stern review and laid it out for the city of boston and the state of massachusetts, but that was gone then so quickly. and so people there thought he was a good executive when he was engaged as an executive, but they fell out of love with him when they saw he was too much of a politician. >> it's interesting that he might be the guy to build you a tunnel, do that sort of technocratic, to get your olympics on. it doesn't require saying i think he's a horrible later, to say i think he would be an insufficient end president on these particular issues. >> up next, vice president joe biden found congressman pa